The scam known as Informed Electorate PAC is quite the little money maker for its operators

A commenter has provided the website information from the State of Utah where the Informed Electorate PAC discloses its financials:

https://disclosures.utah.gov/Search/PublicSearch/FolderDetails/1414465

If you are one of the many contributors to this so-called PAC, your full name, address and contribution level are listed there.

And wow, there's an awful lot of gulls out there in America. It's a goldmine of a mailing list, free for the taking.

You'll also be fascinated to learn that for the "privilege" of paying these grifters to take your opinion, for that is what they are in my opinion, shameless grifters, they netted about $1.91 million in contributions in 2017 alone, of which about $1.79 million was expended.

On what? you ask.

Never heard of 'em, right? Most people haven't, which kind of gives the lie to their objective of informing anyone. I search in vain for itemized expenditures under "public relations". Instead I see lots of consulting fees and W-2 payrolls, evidently going to the principals.

Nearly $336,000 in 2017 went straight into the pockets of the President, Brett Payne, a board member Rob Andra, and someone named Joseph Demma, who appears to be related to Stacy Demma the Vice President (who is also the only other listed board member), and presumably the CFO Kenneth Kohfel and other unnamed employees. The reports show that the consulting fees in 2017 stopped being paid in July, and that the W-2 payroll line items start appearing once a month beginning in June.

A company named Fiercecom gets large sums regularly for data management, telephone services and fulfillment. Other regulars include Airespring, Heartland Payment Solutions and Skymail International.

One wonders if any of this PAC's principals have any personal business interests in any of the businesses which provide services back to the PAC.

Someone really ought to look into it, like 60 Minutes, or maybe the FBI.

I wonder what they'd find?

At any rate, for the umpteenth time, no legitimate polling organization asks YOU to pay to give your opinion.

The wonder of it all is that these snakes have found the ones that will pay, and that Utah has listed them all for the whole world to laugh at.

This is just one month from the disclosures, October 2017

Vote the Will's Informed Electorate scam is (now?) owned by a Utah Republican named Brett Payne

A recent commenter noted that there has been a change in the registry information for vote the will dot org, from Arizona to Utah. Whereas previously the Registrant Name was private, now it is Brett Payne of Utah.

There could have been a sale involved, or it could be the same people with a new face and legal identity. The website looks retooled, too. Hard to say which. In any event . . .

A search of public records on Al Gore's amazing internet shows that Brett Payne is indeed a registered Utah Republican, as the commenter stated.

I'm sure this guy is doing nothing illegal.

It's just a slick operation, you know, slick like a snake. Millions of idiots will open their wallets for this guy just for the fleeting experience that someone out there cares about their opinion . . . for twenty bucks.

Do robots have feelings?

This guy must be laughing all the way to the bank!

  

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Informed Electorate PAC is a scam: It polls your opinion on one question per call, until they ask you for money on the third

They are at: www.votethewill.org

ServiceHostNet says there's no SSL certificate on the website, which is bad for your privacy.

First call: Did you vote in the last election?

Second call: Should the federal government decide stuff or the states?

On the third call they tell you it costs money to collect your opinion, so how about coughing up $20 to help.

Looks like a phishing expedition to me.

















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